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ShadedOne
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Post subject: Immortal vampires do they exsist
 Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 12:02 PM
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I think
its quite possible for a true immortal vampire to exsist in this world by all mean.
There is no proof or anything of that such but still. Anyone here or in the rest of
the world that says they've met one or are one are the biggest mother fucking fools
on the damn planet. If do meet a immortal vampire(I'm just going to say true vampire
its getting annoying to try immortal all the fucking time)they are probably dead or
swore on there life to not tell a soul or some such like that |
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 12:12 PM
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I have been wondering that too. I want
to believe they exist. How it would feel to meet a real immortal vampire? |
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 01:18 PM
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Keep in mind that, as with all of my
other posts, this is merely my own opinion.
To the point of the legendary
immortal vampire. I think that it is highly unlikely that such a creature exists.
The idea of the immortal vampire suggests never aging (it would suck being a withered
prune), never getting sick or injured (this implies an ability to heal. Again, it
would suck to live forever carrying an arm that was maimed while cutting firewood),
not to mention the planning and ability to adapt to society as it grows and changes
with the time. After all, would eternal existence be worth living if it consisted
solely of getting up, feeding, then going back to sleep?
There is little
evidence to substantiate the immortal vampire. There is plenty of empirical evidence
against the idea, however. I am not saying the possibility does not exist, because
everyone wants their romantic notions of the fictional vampire to exits and I am not
willing to discount entirely the possibility.
On another note, ShadedOne. You
might want to consider your use of language on this forum. For the most part, we like
to keep the discussions on this board pretty clean. We pride ourselves on the level
of discussion and use of language. Just a suggestion.
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 01:50 PM
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Thank you ShadowMind for bringing up the
issue of proper language usage.
As for the true immortal vampire, I would like
to believe they exist. However, since I am a scientist I
cannot just ignore all the impossibilities and nonpracticalities(that even a word?) of
the idea of an immortal vampire. But hey, if vampires came into existence like the way
Anne Rice wrote it, through demon infusing into mortal blood, then it may very well be
true, granted that if there are such things as demons and magic and such.
By
the way I am not a cynical person, nor am I anti-pagan and stuff. I just like to
consider all ends before giving my personal opinion. |
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 02:47 PM
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The thing that makes it hard for me to
believe in true immortal vampires like the ones in legend is that it would be
impossible to hide forever. Expecially if they had the ability to make new vampires
like themselves. For you can be sure that someone who is forced to exist forever would
not want to spend that time alone or watch their friends grow old and die. So if they
had the ability to make new vampire then sooner or later one would be made that did
not wish to hide. Just as there are rebels in humanity there would be immortal vampire
rebels as they were made from humanity.
And what about those bad eggs? Killers,
rapists, murderers and thieves. Some of these would sneak into their ranks over time
and expose them by being careless. How could an entire 'species' of humans that
could live forever and never die or get sick stay hidden for thousands of years. It
would require a secret society of enormous proportions as well as a firm set of rules
that no vampire ever broke.
Just my view on the subject. |
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 04:18 PM
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| Quote: | As for the true
immortal vampire, I would like to believe they exist. However, since I am a scientist
I cannot just ignore all the impossibilities and nonpracticalities(that even a word?)
of the idea of an immortal vampire. But hey, if vampires came into existance like the
way Anne Rice wrote it, through demon infusing into mortal blood, then it may very
well be true, granted that if there are such things as demons and magic and such.
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| Quote: | To the point of the legendary
immortal vampire. I think that it is highly unlikely that such a creature exists. The
idea of the immortal vampire suggests never aging (it would suck being a withered
prune), never getting sick or injured (this implies an ability to heal. Again, it
would suck to live forever carrying an arm that was maimed while cutting firewood),
not to mention the planning and ability to adapt to society as it grows and changes
with the time. After all, would eternal existence be worth living if it consisted
solely of getting up, feeding, then going back to sleep?
There is little
evidence to substantiate the immortal vampire. There is plenty of empirical evidence
against the idea, however. I am not saying the possibility does not exist, because
everyone wants their romantic notions of the fictional vampire to exits and I am not
willing to discount entirely the possibilty.
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I have to
agree with you both on this, We would like to believe they exist. And if we like to
believe, we will bend the truth to fit us the best way possible.. Example, The church,
see how they have bent, and mixed with stories, relics, even in the translation of the
bible. Just because they truly wanted what they believed to be true..
So in my
opinion, they exist, in our mind.. |
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Posted: Apr 01, 2004 - 05:13 PM
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So in my
opinion, they exist, in our mind.. |
I like that discription.
They exist in our minds and writings. Now if I could just finish this vampire story to
submit to articles the vampires in my mind can exist in yours as well. |
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Posted: Apr 14, 2004 - 05:21 AM
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Well now, I cannot say that vampires
exist or do not exist. Immortal ones anyway, we all know there are humans out there
today that conduct vampyric activities.. Through media we're led to believe that
immortal vampires DO indeed hide behind a masquerade, fearful of the amount that we
out number them. It would seem likely then that they would amas and army, even the
odds and then come out to claim the world, enslaving what humanity they would require
for food and, well, farming us. Yet again, who's to say that such an army is not
being formed. There is no proof one way or the other, yet they are certainly immortal
and very real in our minds, which is why we cannot let them go.
Werewolves on
the other hand........... |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2004 - 01:45 PM
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Realy good topic guys. Like Demons,
Spirits, phantoms and such, the Vampire of legend and lore will remain wrapped in
mystery, the reality of truth left unknown. And much like Angelic beings and Demons,
They maybe or have been at one time, as real as you or I. Then again... |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2004 - 03:33 PM
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Anyone that has been written about,
whether it is songs, legend, or history becomes immortal through the written word. I
would like to believe that people can become physically immortal, but I don't believe
it is possible. |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2004 - 05:10 PM
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| eyecandyrayce wrote: | | Quote: |
So in my opinion, they
exist, in our mind.. |
I like that discription. They exist in
our minds and writings. Now if I could just finish this vampire story to submit to
articles the vampires in my mind can exist in yours as
well. |
I like it too. As to immortal vampires existing like
we do each and every day... I don't think they exist, but I could be wrong. After
all... people think vampires in general don't exist, and we're proof that they do.
Ofcourse that could be easily debated to those who don't realize that not everything
is set into hollywood, but lets not get into that.  |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2004 - 07:28 PM
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I would have to say that until I'm
shown evidence of an immortal vampire, and they would have to have some really good
evidence, I do not believe that they exist. It would just be too unnatural, and like
the human I am..I must have evidence to prove that there are real immortal vampires.
I would, however, love to believe that immortal vampires do exist. And if they
did, I would hope for them to be similar to Anne Rice's vampires because I'm a bit
attached to her Brat Prince, Lestat, as well as Armand. I cannot really explain how
I'm attached to her characters because it would take a few more words than should be
typed here; that is for yet another topic, as I'm getting off the beaten path. ^_^ |
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Posted: Sep 05, 2004 - 08:27 PM
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I keep my mind open to possibilities,
but like many others on this thread, I draw the line, as well. If someone made any
far-fetched claim concerning the matter, I would like some proof.
Yes, I am
very spiritual. Yes, I believe in an Absolute deity. Yes, I embrace a variety of
mysticisms that include the belief in spirits. However, even very spiritual people
must put their foot down on the line. I *try* to be open-minded (I won't claim to be,
just say that I try to be), but I am not that gullible.
EyeCandyRayce: I
really look forward to reading your fiction when I have the time. I like it when
skilled writers contribute to the writer's section of the site.
*smile*
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Posted: Sep 21, 2004 - 10:51 AM
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I must say that this is really a good
topic to be on cause my opinon on this topic is that you don't need to believe in
them unless you want to. I mean yes I sorta draw the line if they exist or not but I
like to lean to were I would love it if they did but I have not seen a single piece of
evidence that they exist. So I really do not believe in the as of so far. But I do
agree that they exist if your mind. |
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Posted: Sep 29, 2004 - 09:59 PM
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Maybe you should look into the stories
of "Saint Germain". There are some tales that actually took place in New Orleans and
are documented in police reports there. If these stories are of the same person he has
been around for something like 500 years, here but mostly in
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Anticarnation
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Posted: Sep 30, 2004 - 05:23 AM
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| eyecandyrayce wrote: | | Quote: |
So in my opinion, they
exist, in our mind.. |
I like that discription. They exist in
our minds and writings. Now if I could just finish this vampire story to submit to
articles the vampires in my mind can exist in yours as
well. |
yea, now they live on...in the words of a song
that
is all there is to immortality, a shadowed memory of your life in the minds of people
years later.
I dont believe immortals exist, because of the sheer loneliness of it.
aside from the science part. |
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Posted: Dec 10, 2004 - 04:37 PM
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I checked out the story of saint-Germain, it was very interesting, I had never heard of him. Seems as if the royalty of the courts he was involved with was mystifiedby him. I wonder if he just had formulas for skin care because he gave out potions for hair coloring (and other products).
As for immortal vampires, I think it is possible because I keep an open mind, one can never be too sure on matters of this sort.
I do invest in the idea that beings can manifest themselves in a vessel, and walk the earth hopping from form to form feeding off of whatever they need to survive. I have never met a person claiming to be a host that gave me real evidence that it was true. If immortal vampires do exist, they probably would'nt show thier faces to reveal themselves in this society unless it was for hunting. |
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Posted: Dec 11, 2004 - 02:11 PM
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Quite frankly, I tend to not discount anything completely. It wasn't that long ago that we KNEW the earth was flat. That's not to say that I believe every notion presented to me definately exists - I just be sure to leave room for the possibility.
My mind ponders several issues when talking about immortality (in more of a Ricean sense):
How would one maintain a desirable level of sanity? How daunting it must be to pass through time unchanged, when those you know grow old and die - and this is a cycle that would repeat itself over and over. Technology advances, cities grow and flourish, cultures change and evolve. It sounds like a psychological disaster.
These days one really can't even live without a legal documention of who we are and where we came from. How would an immortal slip through society without being "caught"? |
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Posted: Jan 29, 2005 - 03:42 PM
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| I would like to think they exist. I think it will be a once in a lifetime experience and that we will learn alot of them. Clear up the myths and tales about them. See what they really do, what they are afraid of. |
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Posted: Jan 29, 2005 - 05:37 PM
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More than maintaining sanity, I would wonder how one would maintain a physical being. As someone who has to take certain medical classes, I now understand that simply replacing a person's blood with something that can "maintain immortality" wouldn’t really do the trick.
There are parts of the body that would still decay over time because blood is not all that is needed to maintain its existence, the nervous system is one such thing and the skeletal system is another. Neural pathways in the brain would still be subject to decay and even the decay of brain cells are not managed by blood.
No matter how you designed any "immortal blood", simply sending it though the circulatory system wouldn't solve all the issues related to what I mentioned. Anyone keeping up with the study of the cure for Parkinson’s and Alzheimer's understands the issue of simply introducing something into the blood stream, it doesn't always work the way you think.
Then, after all that, there is the idea of how one would live in society. Besides the stereotype of every immortal being a millionaire or billionaire and not having a need for anything, even if he/she/it was a vampire who drank the blood of mere mortal people, odds are they would still need clothing, electricity, water (because even dead people smell), rent money and so on. And judging from the really outlandish claims of some people in certain chartrooms and message boards, immortals are rather fond of spending all their free time on the internet. So they need credit cards to pay for that. And considering you can’t rent an apartment, buy a home or anything without a background or at the very least, a credit check, one wonders how all that is achieved as well.
The more I ponder some of these things and the more I hear all the “immortals” on the internet talk, the less I consider the actual possibility. |
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